Heading for an ice age as Sun ‘goes blank’

“We’re seeing the lying MSM starting to cover its arse regarding a new ice age,” says reader.

Spotless Sun - Credit SDO/HMI
Spotless Sun – Credit SDO/HMI

4 Oct 2016 – “The Sun has ‘gone blank’ (no sunspots) for the fourth time this year, and it could herald the arrival of an Ice Age,” reports news.com.au.

The last time sunspots vanished at such a rapid rate was during a centuries-long ice age (The Litle Ice Age) that began in the 15th century.

According to The Sun, sunspots are appearing at the lowest rate in 10,000 years.

Meteorologist Paul Dorian told The Daily Star that the sharp decline in solar activity could be a sign of a new Ice Age.

“If history is any guide, it is safe to say that weak solar activity for a prolonged period of time can have a cooling impact on global temperatures in the troposphere which is the bottom most layer of Earth’s atmosphere—and where we all live.”





Thanks to Terra Hertz and Jhon Smith for these links

“Nothing at all about the established theories of solar cycles, heliosphere density, cosmic ray flux, and their relation to cloud formation and hence global temperature,” says Terra. “Obviously they can’t mention that, because it would inform the public of flaws in the stupid and baseless AGW fable.”

19 thoughts on “Heading for an ice age as Sun ‘goes blank’”

  1. Oh dear! The Carbon Credit ponzy scheme just ran out of mugs to part with their cash.
    This Solar Grand Minimum will have much the same weather impacts as the Dalton Minimum 1790 to 1812. It will have the same worldwide Climate effects as that experienced during Dalton.
    The Patriotic War of 1812 began on 24 June 1812 when Napoleon’s Grande Armée crossed the Neman River in an attempt to engage and defeat the Russian army
    It finished in the Russian (Dalton) winter in November when the remnants of Napoleon’s army crossed the Berezina River in November, only 27,000 effective soldiers remained; the Grand Armée had lost some 380,000 men dead and 100,000 captured.

  2. Let me tell ya- it has been a cool start to fall. The temps turned south at least 5 weeks early in the inland NW. I was in San Francisco for a week and it was colder than I remembered as a kid. The garden struggled this year as the temps wouldn’t stay steady. The deer are hungry and their coats turned last month.
    The NW is going to have a real winter.

  3. Ok so let’s set the scene.

    If the Sun is going into hibernation, and thus there will be less solar radiation heading our way, then we could very well be around at this point in time, like what it was like during the beginning of the Little Ice Age, about early 1300’s. The LIA started with the Baltic Sea freezing over, now there’s trouble for Eastern Europe!

    But if it really is going to be like another LIA, the last time this happened, Greenland shut down, figuratively and literally. That means all of Greenland’s and Iceland’s population are going to be displaced. And that’s only the start. Northern Canada, Alaska, basically the High Arctic is going to be abandoned. Last time, the Innuit had to change their diets, from whaling to small fish and game. Well they don’t even do that anymore, they get everything from the local Safeway now, but, with a LIA, there is no way that’s even going to be possible. So Lower Canada is going to be invaded by lots of High Arctic dwellers.

    And then there is Europe! Massive starvations, for food crops would not grow. In some places summers became like falls.

    And while all this happens, Global Warmers will be wanting more windmills and solar panels; once a moron, always a moron, I suppose.

    If another LIA is really going to happen, we need to keep a close eye on the polar ice caps for they will increase, and sea-levels will start to slowly turn to falling. Furthermore, keep an eye out on how early the frosts come and how late they stay, that will be an early indicator. Or is there any point in doing this?

    For if another LIA comes, not even with our present technology, will we be able to deal with the cold, especially, agriculturally wise and energy wise. Frankly, I’d rather not know. Even if we DEFINITIVELY determine a LIA is coming, its not as if we can do anything about it.

    Mother Nature knows when its time to cull an over abundant species. Its now time to do some serious correcting on that 8 Billion number, it appears.

    We are in trouble. Big Time. 500 years of another LIA, or worse, another 100,000 years of a Great Ice Age, means either way, Humans, are going to become a very minor species again.

    Let the morons have their windmills, its as pointless as anything else we will do when the Ice comes!

    • To make one pound of (wet) beef takes ten pounds of (dry) grain. An adult can live on roughly one dry pound of food per day.

      In any real food crisis, the world can just have a “Meatless Monday” and feed people for 10 days on the grain that makes available.

      BTW, something like 1/3 of the (massive) USA corn (maize) crop is fed to our cars… so we could also just drive about 8% less using unblended fuel and feed everyone. The spouse uses about 10 gallons a week, so one gallon of ethanol. That comes from way more than one gallon of dry grain… but even if only one, the spouse and I could not eat all the cornbread and polenta from one gallon of corn in a week if paid to do it…

      Resource substitution, it’s a beautiful thing…

      • I don’t think the argument to just substitute grain or other plant based foods for meat is going to make all that much difference in a real ice age (mini or otherwise). The reason being, a lot of plants are very persnickety to grow in terms of their temperature and water requirements. Corn especially!

        For example, consider the Irish potato famine. Caused due to crops rotting from excessive cold, wet weather. Or rye ergot disease. Rye grows better than wheat in cold wet climates, but is susceptible to mold.

        I live in southeastern Virginia… rent a little house on a 500 acre farm about 40 miles (“as the crow flies”) from Jamestown, where the first English settlers came to America. A really ugly bit of history that… in part because they arrived in the middle of a famine.

        The native tribes who lived in this area had a culture that mainly used corn, fish and wildlife as their food source. The climate is cyclical, but usually has long, hot, humid summers with plenty of rain followed by mild winters. Those are the good years… and during those years the crops are good (including corn) and there are large numbers of deer, geese, waterfowl, raccoons, squirrels, and other wildlife. The rivers are full of fish including shellfish. In those years, local farmers grow crops without needing irrigation and not much work. In the old times, before Europeans came the natives in this area had large populations, which is common where agriculture replaces hunting and gathering.

        For some reasons, other years see extremes affect all that… and in those years crops fail (either due to too much heat and rain, with crops growing moldy or drought, where they simply die.. or excessive cold where the crops that are normally grown here fail). When that happens local wildlife populations drop off significantly. We also get some very nasty wildlife diseases, including rabies. The rivers have become polluted and a lot of times it’s not safe or good eating fish or especially shellfish.

        Just before the British settlers came to this area, there had been famine for several years among the Indians… with summer corn crops failing and wildlife disappearing… in part because of several harsh winters. There were wars among the tribes due to scarce resources and also some smaller tribes even sold themselves as slaves to larger tribes who happened to have more food stores… so they would not starve. Enter the English “settlers” – who also ended up getting sick and starving. In fact the first year almost all the settlers died.


        Tensions between the natives and the British escalated and eventually led to the infamous Jamestown massacre.

        The push toward hybridized seeds and especially GMO, and now the use of mostly imported foods from other counties makes it much worse.

        So no, I don’t think we can count on plants to save us!

    • Northern Canada, Alaska, basically the High Arctic is going to be abandoned

      Actually overall yearly temperatures will rise in Alaska. Indirect evidence showed an average increase of temps during the Maunder minimum. Shifting weather patterns with the Pacific influences becoming more dominate. Alaska’s nastier temps arise in Siberia then migrate east. During the Maunder, Dalton and , for last several years, the current trend is for those extreme cold cells to slide further east along the arctic coast instead of plunging SE into Alaska, Yukon territories. This shift to the SE now is more or less centered along the Yukon/Northwest Territories boundary and aimed roughly at the Hudson bay area extending toward the NE states of the US.
      Our last four winters have been increasingly mild in interior Alaska. If memory serves it only got to -28F as the coldest temperature last winter (trust me that’s very mild for a winter in interior Aklaska). Sadly summers are becoming cooler, wetter and more cloudy but my checking account still enjoys not being plundered so heavily for heating bills.
      There’s also a tree ring study (can’t remember where I saw it) that indicates improved temperatures for Alaska during the min periods.

    • indeed, and the same with other right wing red tops ‘Giant spiders sent in by ISIS will cause coldest UK winter for 30,000 years and it’s all Jeremy Corbyn’s fault”—kind of thing

  4. Without a direct observation to go on how do they know what the sun spot count was 10,000 years ago? I would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me.

    • Jim – Scientists take ground samples, also ice cores, of certain radioactive elements and such that solar/cosmic radiation leaves behind. For example during times of low solar activity, traces of cosmic radiation is higher on Earth.

      • You can track the sun output by looking at the half wave cycles of CO2 samples in ice. They do match up with each cooling and warming period to date.
        She be gonna get cold gentlemen button er up.

  5. “According to The Sun, sunspots are appearing at the lowest rate in 10,000 years.”
    I would think the risk to worry about is not so much the possibility of a little ice age but rather one ought to be concerned over the onset of the big 105,000 year major glaciation that follows the 10,000 to 11,500 year inter glacial we are nearing the end of.

  6. In the event of a LIA, there’s so much upper and underwater volcanic activity going around at present, even near the Arctic as I understand, that fortunately severe cold will be somwhat restricted by all this thermal activity going on, wouldn’t you think so ?

    • The increase volcanic activity is due the increased pressure of magma being forced up due to lack of magnetic flux bonding the gravity to fractured plates, caused by a cooling earth core, causing the plates to expand outward from center core..
      The total energy the lack of output from the core dynamo will more than be cold enough to compensate for the surface and underwater volcanic activity. Then the addition of extra cloud cover from an already weak sun heat input to surface of earth, one could surmise ’tis gonna get cold roger o.

      Peace bro

  7. The Sun’s energy output and Sun spot record is calculated via proxy records with a good working comparison:
    New 10Be Study Confirms 14C Record
    Posted Wed, 08/26/2009 – 19:38 by Geoff Sharp
    The Carbon 14 record, (14C) used as a solar proxy that is derived from the INTCAL98 project by Solanki and Usoskin is sometimes called into doubt. There have been attempts to cross check the results using Beryllium 10 (10Be) comparing running means over different time periods. But now we have a new report that produces 9300 years of 10Be data that can be compared with the 14C record. Initial results show a very promising match up.
    The new report which can be found here: http://www.leif.org/EOS/Holocene-TSI.pdf shows one graph in particular that can be used to cross check the 14C record.
    Nicola Scafetta: On the Astronomical Origin of the Hallstatt Oscillation found in Radiocarbon and Climate Records throughout the Holocene.
    It has been well established for many years that a quasi 2100-2500 year deep grand minima cycle exists in the C14 and 10Be solar proxy record that exists over the Holocene (past 11,500 years). 14C and 10Be are isotopes that are formed in the top of our atmosphere from collisions with Intergalactic rays generated from Supernova explosions throughout the Universe. These isotopes get taken up by trees or deposited in ice at the poles and provide a mostly reliable source of info on how the Sun’s activity changed over the Holocene. During times of grand minima the solar wind is weaker and allows more galactic rays into our solar system (isotope graphs are inverted).
    The following graph is the 14C record that shows clearly the large deep groups of grand minima (that stand out from smaller grand minima) that form Little Ice Age clusters like seen between 1250 and 1850 AD.

  8. One thing nobody is talking about in the UK is the early onset and strength of easterly winds. Normally the winter weather comes across the Atlantic and has warmed up considerably. If new York has snow we will get rain normally. The thing to make a cold winter more likely are easterlies and they are her already with a nice Scandinavian high blocking anything getting across the pond.

  9. 2009 had a massive number of spotfree days
    so far this yr we’ve had few,and the spots we are seeing are majority small, and low activity. not all but mostly.
    the food supply risks ARE real, as evidenced by what just a week of rain(not ice cold snow etc) has done to Sth Aust fruit veg and upcoming grains harvests for this summer and presently
    most veg came from local areas that got wiped out
    prices will double/triple almost immediately
    partly due to low supply n need to bring in from elsewhere
    and price gouging BY the interstate suppliers cashing in while they can, if usual practice occurs;-(
    i have well drainin g cruddy sandy soil over clay at 3ft
    and I havent been able to dig over to plant for weeks..
    was about to put plastic shadehouse up to pregrow seedlings
    luckily bits were missing
    because the winds we had would have blown it all away anyway;-(
    one of those years;-(
    and my local councils raised a road and put”reverse” drainage in
    ie the total road and other water is flooding my land not draining it off.
    i have over half now, of 7acres underwater some to 3ft deep!
    looking for a bright side?
    the water will drown some weeds..as well as the pasture I planted;-/

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