Ice Ages Look Like Super  El Niños

Ice Ages Look Like Super El Niños

El Nino and ice age cycles could be connected.

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“During past ice ages the tropical Pacific Ocean behaved rather as it does today in an El Niño event, bringing downpours to some places and drought to others.” Thus began a 2002 article Nature magazine (12 Jul 2002)

Studies by Stott and Kouvatas suggest that “shifts between warm and cool global average temperatures look, from the perspective of the tropical Pacific, like super El Niños. So too do the swings from shorter-term warming and cooling spells, called interstadials and stadials, that punctuated the last ice age.”

El Niño Forming

“It’s not clear  whether these changes imply that the climate was persistently in an El Niño-like phase during ice ages, or whether such phases came and went every few years, as they do at present, but more frequently and more intensely,” says Lowel Stott of the University of Southern California.

It’s not global warming, it’s ocean warming, and it’s leading into the next ice age.

See “Ice ages looked like El Niño,” Nature, 12 Jul 2002 
http://www.nature.com/nsu/020708/020708-19.html


20 thoughts on “Ice Ages Look Like Super El Niños

  1. oddly at present in aus in spite of el nino looking like it might hang around, were getting decent downward across aus rainfall n storms from the indian ocean. greatly appreciated but too late to save fodder and animals in many areas.

  2. Heavy snowfall covers Kashmir, 700 stranded people rescued
    November 5, 2018
    Snowfall and fog is not a new thing for the Kashmir valley but this time the situation is even worse. So accordingly, Jammu and Kashmir Traffic Police rescued about 700 civilians from Jawhar Tunnel and Sonmarg who were stranded in the valley due to inclement weather and snowfall. Over 1000 civilians were provided food and shelter in Banihal by Police and civil administration.
    Heavy snowfall has led the valley cut off from the rest of the country for the second day. And it has caused major damage to power supply infrastructure which resulted in to a massive power outage.
    The Srinagar-Jammu National Highway is closed for vehicular traffic as snowfall has made playing on the road unsafe, an official of the Traffic Control department reported.
    In last 24 hours, police in Kulgam rescued 700 stranded passengers from Jawahar Tunnel. 300 individuals were taken to Qazigund, 300 to Banihal and 100 to the CRPF establishments where they were provided all required assistance. Moreover, 600 were rescued from Banihal area who were accommodated at Nowgam and Gund area of Banihal where they were provided food, shelter, and accommodation for the night stay with the active support of the civil administration.
    Roads and highways have also been affected from the heavy snowfall and the transportation is badly affected. It has also led to flooding in many parts of the valley and also to the leakage of drainage system, the overflowing water level on roads have blocked the vehicles roots. And the heavy fogs and the environmental status have led to the cancellation of the flights.
    The problem is not only with the travelers but the farmers as well are affected. Heavy snow has damaged apple orchards causing huge losses to apple farmers.
    http://www.apnlive.com/india-news/heavy-snowfall-covers-kashmir-700-stranded-people-rescued-51464
    http://d2r2ijn7njrktv.cloudfront.net/apnlive/uploads/2018/11/05133036/heavy-snowfall-feature.jpg

  3. I know that what we believe we know about the climate of millennia ago come basically from Ice cores and silt cores, and their interpretations thereof. I suspect that, for the most part, there is some validity in it, but I do not take the position that I would “bet the farm” on them. After all, they are interpretations, not measurements.

    I really think it is a stretch that you can tell what, say, the surface temperature of the Pacific was 10,000 years ago by looking at silt layers from 5000 feet down, but even worse, what the temperature at 700 feet was at that time as well. Yet we are expected to accept this because science says it has found proxies for these things. Sometimes I question just how clever science really is. Hard to disprove a lot that is claimed, but it doesn’t mean it is correct.

    • Glacial/interglacial variations
      in atmospheric carbon dioxide
      Daniel M. Sigman & Edward A. Boyle
      Department of Geosciences, Guyot Hall, Princeton University,
      Department of Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences, Room E34-258, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 77
      Twenty years ago, measurements on ice cores showed that the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was lower
      during ice ages than it is today. As yet, there is no broadly accepted explanation for this difference. Current investigations focus on the ocean’s `biological pump’, the sequestration of carbon in the ocean interior by the rain of organic carbon out of the surface ocean, and its effect on the burial of calcium carbonate in marine sediments. Some researchers surmise that the whole-ocean reservoir of algal nutrients was larger during glacial times, strengthening the biological pump at low latitudes, where these nutrients are currently limiting. Others propose that the biological pump was more efÆcient during glacial times because of more complete utilization of nutrients at high latitudes, where much of the nutrient supply currently goes unused. We present a version of the latter hypothesis that focuses on the open ocean surrounding Antarctica, involving both the biology and physics of that region.

      https://courses.washington.edu/pcc588/readings/Sigman_Boyle-Glacial_CO2_Review-Na00.pdf

  4. Could PSI pressure at the bottom of the ocean influence the rate of volcanic eruptions of undersea volcanoes?

    In the event the ocean’s sea level drops as a result of snowfall and moisture being trapped into ice sheets, would the PSI drop at the bottom of the ocean, and that drop in pressure allow these bottled up undersea volcanoes to erupt, resulting in warmer seas?

  5. India: J&K (Jammu and Kashmir) Farmers a Worried Lot as Record-breaking Snowfall Damages Apple Orchards. November 5, 2018,
    Locals claim such a heavy snowfall has happened in the areas after more than four decades, catching them unprepared for the ensuing winter.
    Bhadarwah (J&K): Record-breaking snowfall has thrown life out of gear in Doda and adjoining districts in Chenab Valley with farmers and orchardists fearing huge financial losses.
    The local meteorological department has figures for only 20 years after its establishment and such a heavy snowfall in the first week of November had happened for the first time in the past two decades, meteorologist Ramesh Sharma said.
    Locals claim such a heavy snowfall has happened in the areas after more than four decades, catching them unprepared for the ensuing winter.
    The snowfall in the inhabited areas, ranging from three inches to over three feet, was recorded in different areas of the district, forcing closure of Bhadarwah-Basohli highway, Kishtwar-Sinthan Top road and Bhadarwah-Chamba interstate road while many far-flung areas got cut-off, officials said
    The people complained about drinking water scarcity and virtual breakdown of electricity in majority of the villages.
    “Bhadarwah valley experienced heavy snowfall in 1978 but after November 15. I have never witnessed snowfall in first week of November in the last 40 years,” said Balwant Raj, 62, of panchayat Chinchora.
    He said the early snowfall is not a good omen for farmers, cattle rearers and labour class as all the development and other construction works would be suspended till march, which means “we will get no work for five months and this a scary situation”.
    Saif Din Dhakad, a farmer from village Kota Top-Kharangal of Bhallesa, said they were expecting a good yield this year as there was bumper maize crop but sudden and unseasonal snowfall shattered all their hopes as maize was still either in the fields or was kept on rooftops to dry but overnight snowfall on Saturday damaged everything.
    Not only farmers and labour class but early snowfall also sent fruit growers in a tizzy. “Due to overnight snowfall most of our orchards got damaged as the snow is not only unseasonal but quite heavier than normal,” Ahmed Mustafa of Upper Dhadhkai Bhallesa said.
    He said normally pruning of fruit trees is performed in December after there is no leaf left on the trees because some variety of apple and walnut and persimmon only ripens by November end.
    Horticulture development officer, Bhaderwah, Abid Hussain said they are assessing the damage caused by the snowfall. “Some variety of apples and persimmon were still on trees. We have activated the field staff to assess the damage,” he said.
    However, Hussain said the snow poses threat to only weak plants and would have no far-reaching consequences.
    Deputy Superintendent of Police, Traffic, Zohaib Hassan said the main highway connecting Doda with the rest of state is open for traffic.
    “Moderate to heavy snowfall was recorded from Thanalla to Khundi-Maral stretch, Thantera to Sarthal and Potato farm to Sinthan Top stretch on Bhadarwah-Chamba interstate road, Bhadarwah-Basohli highway and Kishtwar-Sinthan Top road respectively, due to which these roads have been closed for all type of vehicle traffic,” he said.
    However, he said Bhadarwah-Doda, Batote-Kishtwar and Thathri-Gandoh roads are open for traffic.
    Chattar Gala on Bhadarwah-Basohli highway and Padri Gali on Bhadarwah-Chamba interstate road recorded three feet snow till 11 AM, while Kota Top received two feet, Dhadhkai 1.5 feet, Khanni Top 1.5 feet, Kansar one feet, Shankhoja eight inches, Chinchora seven inches and Bhadarwah town received three inch snow, the officer said.
    https://www.news18.com/news/india/jk-farmers-a-worried-lot-as-record-breaking-snowfall-damages-apple-orchards-1929999.html
    https://images.news18.com/ibnlive/uploads/2018/11/kashmir-snowfall.jpg

  6. Pakistan: Snow blankets AJK, Gilgit-Baltistan November 5, 2018
    GILGIT-BALTISTAN: Snowfall enveloped Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir over the weekend, with overcast skies decreasing the temperature in the areas, Geo News reported. According to the Pakistan Meteorological Department (PMD), more snow with rain is expected in the coming days. In Quetta, Kalat and Malakand weather is expected to remain cold, while the temperature in Malam Jabba dropped to -1°C. Heavy snow continued to fall in Galyat, Thandiani, and Battagram for the second consecutive day, with Kaghan and Naran also receiving heavy snowfall with rain. During the last two days, Naran received eight inches of snowfall while Saiful Malook Lake, Lolopat Sar and Babusar Top saw more than one feet of snow. The PMD has forecast more rain in the plain areas of Hazara Division and snowfall in the upper parts during the next 24 hours.
    https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/389896-snow-blankets-ajk-gilgit-baltistan

  7. Where is all that warming coming from? If we have fairly constant input, then the southeastern Pacific is robbing heat from the poles. Then an ice age begins. Seems simple to me.(ireallyamprettysilly)

    • Absolutely. We tend to think of the thermal exchange system as an open system when is actually a semi-closed system just like an air conditioner system. And just like an A/C system one side of the system will only heat up if it is extracting heat from and cooling down the other half of the system cycle. The source of this temp increase is the atmosphere, The seas are extracting heat from the air and starting to cool it down more.

  8. Alarmists will grasp at any straw to save their failing hypothesis.

    Clearly the only atmospheric warming since 1998 has been driven by El-Niño events – all the satellite data show this.

    El-Niño means the ocean is heating the atmosphere, adding water vapour and changing atmospheric circulation patterns.

    Funny how the “experts” state the reverse – that changing wind patterns cause El-Niño rather than El-Niño changes the wind patterns.

    What causes El-Niño – it has to be either the Sun and/or underwater volcanism BUT it isn’t 0.04% of the atmosphere !

    • There is indeed a connection to more el ninos with cold climate cycles and ice ages doing warm cycles it seems La ninas tends to dominate more why that is still a on going question.

  9. “El Nino and ice age cycles could be connected” ?

    Man I hope so !!!

    “It’s not global warming, it’s ocean warming, and it’s leading into the next ice age” ???

    Well that killed this/that one !!!

    Our Coastal Sea Temps (Southern California) have been running well below normal (Except for Summer 2018 and Summer 2017) since El Nino 1997-1998 which is why we have been in a drought ever since (Except for Winter 2003/2004, it could have been 2004/2005, can’t quite remember (That was a million years ago???)).

    And all reports coming in are reporting a cooling Atlantic (Drop in the Northern push of the Atlantic Gulf Stream) so that so far there hasn’t been much rise in Global Sea Temperatures any where… ?

    And…..

    B.S. El Nino 2015-2016 was an underwater Volcano eruption (Mid-Northern Pacific) but that was “conveniently” left unreported (Covered Up) to keep the B.S. Global Warming Crap going……. !

    Just sayin

    • What Robert is meaning by Ocean warming is exackly what you said about the 2015-2016 el nino being caused by under water volcanos you get more moisture into these cooling skys and this bigger storms more snow doing the winter that dont meilt doing the summer thats how these major ice ages trurly start.its not so much the idea of a super cold earth which I think gets lost in the mix.as many beleave earth needs to be supercold to have an ice age and that far far far from truth!.

  10. why did the last ice age end? how did all that ice melt so quickly? 40 days and 40 nights of heavy rain or what?

    • That’s the real mystery of it all is what causes these climate regems to suddenly flip from ice ages to warm phases and or warm cycles fliping to right out glacer cycles in less then 20 years times it really is a fascinating cycle no matter how you look at it.

  11. On the documentary First Footprints ABC Australia they spoke of 10,000 year drought in Australia during last ice age we get droughts during El Nino in Australia makes sense to me . During last winter here in Lilydale VIC Australia we had minus 5 C outside tap froze solid have been here for 35 years never seen this before definitely getting colder

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