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  1. I have a chemistry degree and I do not believe it is possible for greenhouse gases to warm the planet. The easiest of greenhouse gases to observe is water vapor, you see it in the clouds, and it varies the most of all greenhouse gases across the planet. I will compare a rainforest (high concentration of water vapor) to a desert (low concentration of water vapor). My theory is that greenhouse gases act as insulation.
    Rainforests only exist on or near the equator of our planet, where it should be the warmest, yet the highest temperatures recorded were only 94 degrees F. The temperature varies little between the seasons and between night and day, all properties of insulation.
    Now, in the Sahara desert (little water vapor, so little insulation), temperatures have reached as much as 136 degrees F. This is insanely hotter than any rainforest has ever reached, yet if greenhouse gases caused warming, then rainforests should be much much hotter than this because they are on the equator. The Sahara and other deserts have extreme temperature variation between night and day and between the seasons, unlike rainforests.

    1. Jared- nor me.

      I do not have a chemistry degree but still get the gist,



      Another important point from the above discussion is that all greenhouse gases are not equally efficient at trapping terrestrial radiation. Consider a greenhouse gas absorbing at 11 mm, in the atmospheric window ( Figure 7-8 ). Injecting such a gas into the atmosphere would decrease the radiation emitted to space at 11 mm (since this radiation would now be emitted by the cold atmosphere rather than by the warm surface). In order to maintain a constant terrestrial blackbody emission integrated over all wavelengths, it would be necessary to increase the emission flux in other regions of the spectrum and thus warm the Earth. Contrast this situation to a greenhouse gas absorbing solely at 15 mm, in the CO2 absorption band ( Figure 7-8 ). At that wavelength the atmospheric column is already opaque ( Figure 7-13 ), and injecting an additional atmospheric absorber has no significant greenhouse effect.

    2. What ammount of garbage ! The Sahara desert has NEVER ever recorded more than 124F, that crap joke of 136F was overestimated of more than 40F. Only a poor retarded can believe to that CLEARLY IMPOSSIBLE values, which would violate even the basic of thermodinamic. You gave probably stolen your degree since your ignorance is absolutely unmatchable.

    3. Jared, Interesting thought. Certainly sounds reasonable. Also, I am nearly positive that I heard Dave Evans say in his project1to50.net interview that they discovered that when the heat goes up so does the rate of radiation emitted to space. I can’t quite remember under what CO2 conditions exactly. The Topher interview series are so full of info that I’ll have to listen again. I’m glad someone is saying Ice Age Now.

    4. Hmmm….. It’s my understanding that various gasses have varying degrees of this “greenhouse effect” and that water vapor is a powerful one.

      However, water vapor is unique in that it forms clouds that reflect (not insulate) radiant solar energy away from the earth and contain the trapped energy beneath them. It is also able to provide added energy storage through evaporation of water on the earth’s surface, Other gasses (e.g. CO2) cannot do this.

      In the tropics, much of the heat would be stored as evaporated water vapor rather than an increase in temperature. So the temperature swings in the tropics would be “tempered” by the reflectance of clouds and the evaporation of surface water, while the lack of water vapor in the deserts would produce large temperature swings you cite.

  2. Carbon Dioxides ability to act as a heat blanket decreases logarithmically in proportion to saturation,mathematically speaking CO2 cannot cause a greenhouse effect. This was discovered a hundred years ago back when the study of CO2 was in fashion.

    Rainforests can exist in temperate zones but there are very few such places on the planet, one is the West Coast of Tasmania, another is British Columbia Canada.

  3. Bob. I’m down in Yuma, and the temp is 20 degree lower than normal (whatever that is) I’ll go back to Forks for the summer, but thinking of you and your theories.

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