Is this a reason to risk economic destruction?

“When the fragile economy is destroyed, health care will not exist either.”
– Phil in Vancouver, B.C.

Is this a reason to risk economic destruction?

Phil in Vancouver, B.C.

I’m no epidemiologist but simple math and discernment (I hope) shows we’re risking economic collapse when it’s clear the COVID mortality rate in the worst off country, Italy, is within range, or no worse than this season’s American flu mortality rate when comparing apples to apples, if the CDC range estimates for this season are to be believed, over which no one panics with insane reactions and policies.

This is just looking at numbers, regardless of how each country is handling the pandemic.

Prior to the COVID panic the CDC reported over 100 children died (ACTUAL INSTANCES) from the flu this season. No collective panic and economic destruction. I didn’t even know about it.

Poke holes, if there are any. I include source links at bottom.

1) *Less than 1/8* of reported COVID deaths have *direct COVID causality*. Prof Walter Ricciardi, “scientific adviser” to Italy’s minister of health, says “On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three”. Source at bottom.

*2)* Italian Civil Protection chief Angelo Borrelli estimates the number of infections in the population is *10x the number of confirmed cases*. Source at bottom.

– There are 92K known COVID cases in Italy. Per Borrelli above, this means there are as many as 920K people infected in Italy. The second oldest population on earth, unhealthy, low vit D (source at bottom), heavy smokers who live with their younger family members.

– There are 10K reported COVID deaths in Italy. Per the above, 1,200 deaths have direct causality from COVID.


= 1,200 deaths with direct COVID causality / 920K estimated cases
= 0.13% COVID mortality rate in Italy. None of this 10% mortality rate garbage. Compare that to a 0.1% flu mortality rate in the US.

Is this a reason to risk economic destruction? Looks like the solution is to lock up the old and infirm, quarantine the sick, bring in the Chinese to build massive temporary hospitals and help with the care, and the rest of us go back to work and continue the economy. Otherwise, when the fragile economy is destroyed, health care will not exist either.

Interesting excerpts:

Regarding how COVID deaths are tallied in Italy:

Prof Ricciardi maintains that Italy’s death rate may appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three,” he says.

– This does not mean that Covid-19 did not contribute to a patient’s death, rather it demonstrates that Italy’s fatality toll has surged as a large proportion of patients have underlying health conditions.

– There are also other factors that may have contributed to Italy’s fatality rates, experts say. This includes a high rate of smoking and pollution – the majority of deaths have been in the northern region Lombardy region, which is notorious for poor air quality.

Experts have also warned against making direct comparisons between countries due to discrepancies in testing.

Regarding child flu deaths:

Regarding estimated number of infected in Italy:

– Testing for the coronavirus has often been limited to those seeking hospital care

– Italy’s tally of coronavirus cases is probably ten times higher than the official figure of 64,000, the head of the agency collecting the data said today.

– Health chief Angelo Borrelli said it was ‘credible’ to suggest that as many as 640,000 people could have been infected, because only a fraction of them have received the necessary tests.

Regarding what actually brought the COVID numbers down in Wuhan:

– The latest data from Hubei province, where the virus emerged, suggests this is also the policy that has brought the virus under control there. China is now ending its lockdowns, gradually, with no surge in disease. And a recent study by scientists at Huazhong and Harvard universities, based on data from more than 30,000 cases in Wuhan, suggests that although the lockdown and a traffic ban slowed the virus, it was not enough to stop the epidemic from growing. What really brought the numbers down was the decision to introduce targeted quarantines. All suspected cases went to hotels and all confirmed cases went to in-field hospitals, where they could be monitored. Only the most severe were then transferred to real hospitals.

Regarding low vit D in Italy:

– Therefore, based on the previous considerations it could be hypothesized that low vitamin D could be the link between age, comorbidities and increased susceptibility to complications and mortality due to Covid19 infection in the northern regions in Italy.

– Two other further general considerations may contribute to the argument of contribution of low vitamin D to the impact of Covid19: a) in severely compromised patients: patients with acute illness, whether they are in the intensive care unit or not, have very low levels of 25(OH)vitaminD (11) Moreover, some authors think that poor vitamin D status may aggravate the health outcome of ICU patients and correction with (high doses) of vitamin D of poor vitamin D status could decrease morbidity and mortality (12); b) in general population: home confinement is the most used preventive measure against the spreading of Covid19 infection in many Countries and in Italy in particular. Total absence of sunlight exposure may cause in large part also of the younger population a decrease or worsening in the vitamin D status. (13)

12 thoughts on “Is this a reason to risk economic destruction?”

  1. “Is this a reason to risk economic destruction?”

    Yes Phil it is, if you have planned this pandemic to precede the coming crash and what comes after the crash.

    Remember TPTB (the powers that be) don’t think like the people they ‘rule’ over.

  2. “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.”
    – Attributed to Disraeli and often quoted by Mark Twain.

    The fake bubble economy was always going to come to this and now we are finding out just how many non-essential service industry jobs that were merely a convenience. Tons of paper pushing government jobs (tax collectors!) and at the top of that chain are “leaders” devaluing the currency into oblivion. Who wants this to continue?
    It’s amusing that so many keep quoting the CDC seasonal flu numbers as if they were gospel. It’s not like there’s a huge campaign every year for the masses to get their flu shot.

    Edward Bernays, the father of propaganda, wrote the book in 1928 and all governments, corporations and media follow it today.
    “THE conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.”

    I know it’s all we’ve got but “sources” are highly suspect!

  3. Phil in Vancouver, B.C. wrote:
    “When the fragile economy is destroyed, health care will not exist either.”

    Any study of history will show that when socialists take over, they purge society of the weak and the political activists… in our case, that means the elderly, those with pre-existing conditions, and the Antifa types.

    If history holds true, look for the Antifa types to be the next target.

    My take is that this is a scare-tactic, orchestrated by socialists / communists in the UN, assisted by the equally socialist WHO (which is in China’s pocket), promulgated by socialists in media to sustain the panic, with reassurances and pandemic-paychecks from socialist politicians to keep the sheeple compliant.

    There’s an old saying, “Socialism… a political ideology which you can vote yourself into, but which you have to shoot your way out of.”.

    In this case, I do believe they’re attempting to implement ‘socialism’ without so much as even a vote… which means it’s not socialism, it’s communism, backed up by the firepower of the government.

    We see this already in pastors being arrested (violating their right to free expression of their religion, and their right to peaceably assemble), people being arrested for taking a walk alone (violating their right to freedom from undue search and seizure and the right of free passage), people having their right to free speech violated, people having their right to keep and bear arms violated… we’re losing our freedoms, and we’re likely going to have to fight to regain them.

    Arm yourselves, stock up on ammunition, prepare for a guerrilla war in which we target those pushing this. It may not come to that, but if it does, if you’re not prepared for it, you’ll never get the chance to prepare.

    Once (if) that warfare starts, keep in mind historical perspective… the biggest mistake made in the past is allowing even one of the perpetrators to get away scot-free. We must eradicate those who would destroy the world in order to rule it, to send a strong message to future would-be tyrants.

  4. Maybe the difficulty in controlling the epidemic in Italy is caused by the high number of asymptomatic cases. What if Asians have fewer number of asymptomatic cases? That would actually make the disease easier to control. Everyone seems to think that large numbers of asymptomatic cases are a sign of the epidemic being benign when the opposite might be the case.

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  6. Freespirit said (May 14, 2019):

    This a BATTLE between RATIONAL AND IRRATIONAL people.

    Rational people choose REASON and Empirical EVIDENCE to make their decisions in life.IRRATIONAL people Choose BELIEF and FICTION/Mythology to make theirs. Life Liberty and PROPERTY RIGHTS, for ALL humans, are the guiding principle of RATIONAL people. Religious books provide Commandments and other Rules as the Guiding Principle for IRRATIONAL people.

    The GUIDING PRINCIPLE(S) for RATIONAL people is/are arrived at by REASON and where available, also from Empirical EVIDENCE. The GUIDING “PRINCIPLES(S)” for IRRATIONAL people are arrived at by taking advantage of Children BEFORE they reach the age of Reason, via INDOCTRINATION, by ADULTS with Fairy Tales, more so today with Cartoon on TV.

    Once indoctrinated, a pattern and process is installed in the Brain allowing other forms of indoctrination.such as but not limited to SATANISM to take advantage of the conditioned brain PATHWAY of using BELIEF over REASON.

    No RATIONAL person would ever choose Religion, much less SATANISM as a Guiding principle. Only adults, indoctrinated with a BELIEF system would.

    BELIEF leads to most, if not ALL of the Irrational GENOCIDE and DESTRUCTION, we are seeing.

  7. Thanks for a great article. I don’t think we need to build any emergency hospitals to care for the covid sick, cuz we didn’t need them for the last seasonal flu and the numbers are similar or actually lower for covid.

    You know, Dr. Wittkowski makes the point that we get rid of the seasonal flu quite rapidly by letting it circulate. (Only the fragile sequester themselves in flu season). We know that 50-75% of those who test positive for covid are symptom-free or only mildly affected. Whether “test-positives” are sick or not they soon develop antibodies. Dr. Wittkowski notes that every year the seasonal flu goes away when 80% of the population in any area has antibodies. Because then the flu–whether covid or not– can’t find a host.

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