Let’s have weather like it’s the 1850s

“The rational for going back to the atmospheric CO2 levels of the 1850s makes no sense.”
– tomOmason

Let’s have weather like it’s the 1850s


The UN-IPCC statements imply that we need to go back to the atmospheric CO2 levels prevalent by/before the industrial revolution, which they pitch as being on or about 1850. So lets look at some weather events of the mid-1800s.

Remember these were times when there was no mass communications, no radar, no satellites. The reported hurricanes, storms and extreme weather events were usually recorded from those that witnessed the events, or often from people who survived long enough to retell their story.

How many storms and other events were missed? Nobody can possibly know but from the evidence above the 1850 and before (IMO the 1940s and before) were eventful and full of extreme weather occurrences.

The rational for going back to the atmospheric CO2 levels of the 1850s makes no sense — the weather back then was just as wild as currently and the approximate temperature rise since then is an unalarming 1°C. Considering we were just exiting the Little Ice Age in 1850, 1°C since then is well within the bounds of normal natural variation.

Below are edited highlights from ‘A Chronology of Notable Weather Events’ by Douglas V. Hoyt ( http://www.breadandbutterscience.com/climatehistory.pdf ) from 1848 to 1852 — just 4 years but I believe you’ll see the point.

On June 14, a hurricane struck Havana, Cuba.
On August 11, the french ship La Bayonnaise encountered a severe typhoon on her way from Guam to Loochoos.
On August 22-September 3, a hurricane struck Antigua. A hurricane pushes a 15-foot tide through Tampa, FL Fort Brooke, site of the present-day city of Tampa, was nearly destroyed by two hurricanes that hit the area within a month of each other.
On September 1, the typhoon caused tremendous havoc along the southern coast of China. The sea waves around Catanduanes to the east of Luzon were enormous. “If the typhoon has overtaken us in the open Bashi Channel, the Bayonnaise would have been in great danger,” wrote the vice-admiral Julien de la Gabiere.
On September 19, a hurricane struck Barbados and St. Christopher.
On October 15, a hurricane struck Bermuda.
On October 17, a hurricane struck the Lower Coast of TX. Brazos Santiago Island was under two feet of water. Several vessels were lost near Port Isabel. Tides were reported to be high at Corpus Christi.
On December 13-14, a typhoon struck the Phillippines (in Manila). A strong typhoon passed close to, and by the south of, Manila. The winds from the second quadrant were very strong.
On December 16, a hurricane was observed in the Atlantic.
The period of 1846 to 1848 marked a severe food shortage throughout Europe. The harvest of grain and potatoes is very poor. A revolution in France starts a wave of revolutions in Europe. Peasant insurrections and artisan uprisings occurred throughout Europe.
A cholera pandemic spread worldwide in 1849.
On Jan 2, frosts are so intense in Norway that mercury freezes (Hayden).
On March 25, a hurricane struck Havana, Cardenas, and Limones Grandes, Cuba.
On March 27, a hurricane was observed at 48 N, 0.22 W.
On April 1, a hurricane struck Sagua Oriental, Cuba.
In England, in April, a great snowstorm hit Southern England. Coaches buried in drifts. Notably late snowfall.
On April 25, a hurricane struck Seibabo, Cuba.
On May 12, a flood in New Orleans LA destroys 1600 houses.
On August 9, a hurricane struck Santa Clara and San Antonio, Cuba.
On August 26-27, a hurricane struck Cardenas and Havana, Cuba.
In September, Mount Merapia in Java erupts, accompanied by a violent hurricane, but no deaths.
On October 6, a hurricane off the east coast of the United States swept from Long Island to New England. 145 people died. [NHC rank 122/259 with 143 dead]
Famines in China from 1800 to 1850 caused 45 million deaths.
A cold spring/summer in France.
On March 15, a hurricane struck Santa Isabel, Cuba.
On March 30, a hurricane struck Nassau in the Bahamas.On May 4, a furious typhoon was experienced in Manila Bay and the adjacent seas. The ship Juno experienced the fury of the storm.
On June 9, a hurricane struck Cafetal San Carlos, and Bemba, Cuba.
On July 14-16, a hurricane was observed in the Iles du Sud and Iles de lOuest.
On July 18, the first of three hurricanes to affect the upper Eastern Seaboard moved into NC on
the 18th. As it moved north, Chesapeake and DE Bays took a beating as high waves and tides flooded the coast. It moved almost due north into central New York state. 20 people lost their lives.
On August 21, a hurricane struck Cuba.
On August 24, a powerful Gulf hurricane struck Apalachicola on the 24th; a great storm surge inundated the northeast US Gulf coast. As the system moved north, enormous amounts of rain fell from Georgia northward to VA. Major flooding occurred along numerous rivers. The Dan rose to a level twenty feet above normal. The cyclone continued northeast, causing damage in its wake through New England (Barnes II).
On September 2, the Schuykill River at Reading PA floods 23.0 feet.
On September 2, a hurricane struck St. Nicholas (in the Caribbean?).
On October 14, a hurricane was observed at 21.6 N, 49.5 W.
On October 18, a hurricane was observed at 24 N, 43.6 W.
The Irish potato famine combined with typhus is estimated to have killed 1.5 million people since 1846.
The China floods 1851-1866 killed up to 50 million people.
On March 30, a hurricane struck Havana, Cuba.
On April 16, the famous “Lighthouse Storm” raged near Boston Harbor. Whole gales and gigantic waves destroyed Minot Light with its two keepers still inside. The storm resulted in great shipping losses and coastal erosion.
On June 10, a hurricane struck Sabanilla, Cuba.
Between June 25 and 28, a category 1 hurricane traveled along the east coast of the US and eventually struck CT.
On July 10, a hurricane struck Barbados, St. Domingo, and St. Christopher.
In summer, fires throughout the western United States caused by drought.
On August 16-28, a hurricane struck St. Thomas, St. Christopher, Cuba, and St. Mark FL (so-called Great Middle Florida Hurricane).
On August 22, a tornado in MA (The Tornado of 1851 in Medford, West Cambridge and Waltham by Rev. Charles Brooks); the tornado appeared on a hot afternoon and made its way through several towns, flattening houses and orchards, moving railway cars, but not killing many people, as most everybody saw it coming.
In October, a hurricane struck Haciendas, Bermuda, according to Alfonso.
On December 9, a typhoon struck the Phillippines. The historical records of Passi in the Island of Panay mention a furious typhoon which was experienced on December 9, and which demolished many houses and destroyed the church.
On January 12, a hurricane struck Vera Cruz Mexico.
Between January 15th and February 24th a total of 1378 railroad cars were drawn by horses across the frozen Susquehanna River to engines waiting at Havre De Grace MD.
On February 4, Holmfurth England is flooded by a bursting reservoir with many lives (90) are lost and factories destroyed.
On March 8, a hurricane struck Marianao, Cuba. On March 10, it struck Havana.
On April 13, a tornado struck a 200 mile area near New Harmony IN, killing 16.
In May, a hurricane struck Sabanilla, Cuba.
In June, the Murrumbidgee River overflowed killing 89 in Gundagai, Australia.
In July, a hurricane struck Havana, Cuba.
In July, a typhoon occurred in July, 1852, in the coast of Indochina. The typhoon caught the vessel by surprise and endangered the life of all passengers who force to land at Hainan.
On August 26, a tropical storm formed north of the Dominican Republic on the 19th, then moved west through the Florida Straits. In the Gulf, movement became northwest and the hurricane made landfall at the Mouth of the Pascagoula River. It was hardly noticed on Lake Pontchartrain. Four new channels were cut through Chandeleur Island. Thestorm claimed the 55 foot tall Chandeleur Island lighthouse and replaced it with a broad 10 foot deep lagoon (Cipra). The keepers were rescued three days later, on the verge of starvation. The schooners Josephine and Walter M. went ashore on Cat Island. The Great Mobile Hurricane.
On September 5, heavy rains brought widespread flooding to England, causing the Severn Valley to be turned into a continuous sea.
On September 19, a destructive overflow of the Rhine and Rhone Rivers.
On September 22-26, a hurricane struck St. Christopher, St. Eustache, and Puerto Rico.
On October 9, a hurricane struck St. Mark FL. The Middle Florida Hurricane.

Remember – this was just four years – long before CO2 became an issue.

8 thoughts on “Let’s have weather like it’s the 1850s”

  1. Quite right. 1852 saw some of the worst ever flooding in the south of England. And there was repeated flood events in the year. One in November is called ‘the Duke of Wellington’s flood’ because it coincided with the funeral of Britain’s famous military commander, who defeated Napoleon at Waterloo, and later was a Prime Minister of the country.

  2. The herd needs thinning.
    The weak (both willed and minded) have taken over.
    So yes. Let’s have weather like the 1850’s.

  3. the warmist camp get away with their scare stories because people dont know historical facts like these and wont make the effort to read about past events
    more people get killed in a plane crash than a weather event nowdays(excepting tsunamis) but the damages are the immediate focus -things-…not peoples lives or animals(livestock get lumped into possessions bills)
    back when people got killed they got mentioned more than the cost of the furniture etc
    nowdays its the house n contents/business costs losses that matter

    sad indictment on the state of humans values

  4. The AGW idiots don’t seem to realise that the earth actually NEEDS extreme weather events such as hurricanes and large-scale storms. It’s one of the ways heat is transferred around the planet. If we didn’t have these storms, the poles would be far colder and the equator would be much dryer and hotter.

  5. Solar flares from solar cycles 8 &9 pulled them out of the Dalton deep freeze and they could grow food again. The charts show SC 8 was very powerful , 9 was rockin.
    Not a frackin thing to do with carbon.

  6. “Between January 15th and February 24th a total of 1378 railroad cars were drawn by horses across the frozen Susquehanna River to engines waiting at Havre De Grace MD.”

    This is unbelievable.

    The left pushing this AGW is just as dishonest and criminal as claiming the President colluded with the Russians to win the election.

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