New glacier forming in California?


“Was up at top of squaw,” says RT Meadow. “Looking like snow will stay year round.”


Squaw Valley – 11 Sep 2017 – Photo by R.T. Meadow


“Just found this update on Squaw Valley glacier as of Sept 11,” says reader P Salmon.

“It’s small but look like it’s hanging around for next season. Temps now freezing at night up there, and in the 70s during the day at Truckee, CA (6K ft).

“People should understand how HOT it can get in the high Sierra during the Summer, 80s and burning sun), so for snow to survive is remarkable. Plus the West Coast was above normal this summer.”

https://twitter.com/RTmeadow/status/907656311067701248/photo/1

Here’s another view from Aug 21:
https://twitter.com/24AheadDotCom_/status/896239767712616448

And August 10th:
https://twitter.com/OnTheSnow/status/895711398361255937

Thanks to P Salmon for these links


54 thoughts on “New glacier forming in California?

  1. Close your eyes and repeat until all the accumulated snow goes away:

    “The glaciers are shrinking…the glaciers are shrinking…the glaciers are shrinking…”

    • Yes, you’re correct. The glaciers are not just shrinking, but disappearing. For the first time in memory, a ship travelled across the Northern route without n Ed of an ice breaker. Ice that is tens of thousands of years old has melted, sadly releasing an alarming amount of CO2 into the atmosphere sphere.

    • Lake Tahoe is a fault block depression lake like Lake Baikal. The valley was filled with a glacier during the Pleistocene, but the ice probably covered the lake rather like the Antarctic ice cap covers Vostok. Squaw Valley lies down the upper (Tahoe) reach of the Truckee River, between Kings Beach and Truckee. Another thing Northern Californians are watching are river levels. The American, Feather, and Sacramento rivers are notably higher than normal. Another year like last would not be good.

  2. There would need to be a series of epic winter storm snowfall totals, of >5 years duration, for any true snowfield-cum-glacier to set up. It’s hard to imagine that such a scenario could occur in part because of the lack of El Niño conditions this year (actually, moving more towards La Niña than El Niño at present) makes extremely heavy seasonal snowfall to be unlikely.

    Having said that, don’t count on Mother Nature to bend to our understanding of her. She’s finicky and feisty.

  3. Not sure its a glacier but rather just a snow field. A real glacier should have a bergschrund, a crevasse at the back of the glacier that pulls the glacier away from the mountain leaving a crevasse.
    I live 200 miles further south and we had so much snow in the high Sierra Nevada mountains that there are dozens of new patches of snow all along the eastern escarpment that have survived the summer heat. Only time will tell if they become permanent snowfields and eventually glaciers.

  4. I remember going up to the top of Squaw in September 1986 and seeing the same thing. The following year there was little to no snow in the winter. I believe that was the year they started making snow.

  5. The man made global warming garbage takes a twist. Hmm
    So now we have year around snow on top of squaw mountain.

    Some of this hype being exploited to create hysteria and usher in a global governance dictatorship is hilarious. Other parts are just plain horrid and show for the evils that the mind of man can conjure up. Frankly, I’m just wondering if maybe the not so long ago shift of the earths polar axis has more to do with this than anyone is wanting to talk about. That just maybe a natural event of normal climate change is getting upstaged by the worlds wannabe dictators. That surely makes a lot more sense to me.

    • As usual, the amount of ignorance in this country is more than disturbing. A side effect of the disturbed climate is pockets of colder than average weather, so an anomalous snow field -OBVIOUSLY not a glacier- is part of the new normal. However, the aggregate temperature of the earth’s surface and waters are steadily warming and the trend is producing more extreme weather around the globe. So grab your pants, engage your brains and catch up to the rest of humanity.

      • Danielle,

        You wrote, “the aggregate temperature of the earth’s surface and waters are steadily warming and the trend is producing more extreme weather around the globe.”

        Let’s examine those two points:
        1) aggregate temperatures increasing – have you considered the urban heat sink effect on the reporting stations?

        2) more extreme weather – do you really believe this? The US went 12 years without a major hurricane landfall until this year. That is the longest stretch in recorded history.

        I think you may need to be the one that should engage the brains and stop believing in the new religion of AGW

      • Danielle, there are only two ways the earths surface warms…externally…as in solar radiation and internally…as in the molten iron core and magma uplift. A read up on thermal dynamics will help you understand that latent heat is what is being observed. When the brainiest people finally put ALL the factors together Solar, volcanism, wind, tectonics, and planetary orbits. then plot into one chart, they will come to the conclusion that the rest of us normal folk have said…you cant out-plan mother nature.

  6. A patch of snow that survives the summer is not a glacier.

    And Tahoe has had many years when some small amount snow in higher elevations made it through the summer. No biggie.

  7. Arctic sea ice is much more extensive now than it was in 2012, according to government studies: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png

    Clearly, the world is COOLING, not warming.

    Warm eras have always been more prosperous than cold eras, so this is not good news.

    Global WARMING would have been good, but instead we are in for global COOLING, which is bad for agriculture means burning more fuels.

    STOP the “Global Warming” fraud. Trump is right on this.

  8. The Ice Age Cometh if the Solar sunspot cycle continues a downward trend similar to cycle #5 that preceded the Maunder Minimum and the Little Ice Age. Cosmic ray blues!

  9. Oh my bad, did we say ‘Global Warming’? We meant to say
    ‘Global cooling’!! Unfortunately, we are still going to have
    to tax you for causing it!!

  10. I would still wait a few years before calling it official… Reason is, that moisture train California got last winter will be cut off due to the lack of an El Nino – therefore, not much snow will feed these new “glaciers”. In fact, there are signs of an emerging La Nina, which historically mean drier conditions for western North America… But cooler globe. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJi5xnyWsAAtWON.jpg

  11. I live in SoCal. It has NOT been hotter here this year. It’s been unusually cool for most of it. Less than a handful of 100+ degree days this year in my town, when previous years it has been almost every day for most of the summer over 100 degree high. What’s offsetting that in the data is the fact that the lows haven’t been as low. With the pineapple express this past winter, it didn’t get as cold and we saw zero frost, whereas most years we’ll get a handful of hard frost days during winter. I’m not surprised to see that some places didn’t melt after what I’ve experienced here. It reminded me of my summers in upstate NY. Not super hot, and kind of humid too strangely.

    • From CNY this year we’ve had a few warm days, but only one I can recall where the nighttime temperature stayed above 70 deg.F. That’s unusual.

  12. That is snow, that’s not a glacier. not even close. Still, it’s interesting because there should have been feet of snow all over after this year. very hot summer.

  13. I’m sure there are going to be a lot of snide remarks about ‘global warming’ on this bit of news.

    Newsflash – placing conically shaped mirrors in orbit around the Earth, with the cone’s tip gravity locked towards Earth, can do more to reduce global warming (and only at a cost of about $10 billion) that the $100 trillion needed to reduce CO2 emissions enough to drop the temperature by a mere 0.3C.

  14. Approx 30 years ago, an american scientific expedition on the North Pole lost one of two aircraft
    Including all supplies and equipment, when the aircraft fell through the melted ice

  15. How are glaciers formed?
    https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/glaciers/questions/formed.html

    Glaciers begin to form when snow remains in the same area year-round, where enough snow accumulates to transform into ice. Each year, new layers of snow bury and compress the previous layers. This compression forces the snow to re-crystallize, forming grains similar in size and shape to grains of sugar. Gradually the grains grow larger and the air pockets between the grains get smaller, causing the snow to slowly compact and increase in density. After about two winters, the snow turns into firn—an intermediate state between snow and glacier ice. At this point, it is about two-thirds as dense as water. Over time, larger ice crystals become so compressed that any air pockets between them are very tiny. In very old glacier ice, crystals can reach several inches in length. For most glaciers, this process takes more than a hundred years.

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