No Arctic summer this year


How much ice will melt, I wonder, at minus 33 degrees?

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Tony Heller calls it “The Year Without An Arctic Summer.”

“The Greenland Ice Sheet is gaining near record amounts of ice this year,” says Heller. Temperatures on the Greenland Ice Sheet have been extremely cold, and broke the all-time record for Northern Hemisphere July cold on July 4, at -33C. (-27.4F)”


Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Mass Budget: DMI


“Despite all evidence to the contrary, government scientists insist on believing fake GRACE data which shows almost all of Greenland losing ice,” says Heller. “These are criminals, not scientists.”

How much ice will melt, I wonder, at minus 33 degrees?

https://realclimatescience.com/2017/07/the-year-without-an-arctic-summer/

Thanks to Ron de Haan for this link



14 thoughts on “No Arctic summer this year”

  1. Actually, since it was once green, if it melts completely, WHO REALLY CARES? And wouldn’t Antarctica be AWESOME if it were tropical? And maybe the rising seas would fill up all those pesky tunnels! If you want to fear something, fear freezing to death!

    • I agree with that sentiment. A lot of currently useless, frozen land could become available to mankind if we have proper global warming. Also shortened trade-routes over the Arctic.

  2. Wouldn’t the excess water just flow over the edge? I read that the earth is flat, and only a fool believes it is a spinning globe, and they can prove it! And since it is flat, then where is the thermostat?

  3. I find it hard to believe that it was that cold because this time of year the sun keeps shining and you don’t get a night.
    Having said that, the very bottom of Greenland is at the same latitude as the Shetland Islands so I am surprised we still see glaciation. I have visited the area on Google Maps and it looks beautiful around the coastal areas. However, a lack of trees seems spooky. I envisage forestation if warming continues. If not, glaciers could advance.
    I wonder if Robert’s got any insight into why Greenland and Central Iceland are in an ice age right now while Alaska and Russia are not. Even more spooky, Beringia was ice free during the last major ice age while the bulk of North America looked like Greenland. I am also keen to establish how much of Siberia froze like Greenland if at all.
    But do you see my point that the distribution of ice seems very erratic? Furthermore, the East Antarctic Ice Sheet has been in an ice age for about 30 million years and it may never melt. Then the ice on Kilimanjaro has almost all vanished but I bet this happens quite regularly with or without carbon emissions.
    But you know I much prefer the idea of an optimum. Grapes can grow in England and resulting wine is much to our taste. We get at most 2 or 3 weeks of heatwave in the UK before a complete deluge of thunderstorms and torrential rain and flooding. It can get rather depressing so that’s why I pour myself another whisky to cheer myself up.
    Cheers!

    • That very easy for the UK, prevailing warm winds, and the Gulf Stream, and this equally applies to the Western coastal fringe of Europe and includes the Southern portion of Norway, with the remnant of the Gulf Stream flowing around the North Coast of Norway.
      Greenland starts at around 58 degrees N and extends northward to above 84 degrees N with the 60% to 70% of the country above the Arctic Circle, it is bounded by a cold Artic ocean drift travelling down the east coast, and an even colder Labrador current which pushes very large Icebergs into the North East Atlantic on it western side, some of which have grounded recently in Newfoundland. Its prevailing wind is from the Canadian Arctic, however it gets most of its snowfall from low pressure systems moving up the east coast US from Florida, generating a south easterly as the storm tracks into the Greenland/Iceland gap and then on to Europe.
      https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gl.html
      In fact one of its largest snow mass gains during the last freeze was from the last US Tropical storm of the 2016 season. Greenland has a similar cold temperature management system that Antarctica has, a cold water bottle which keeps the warmth well away from its Ice Mass. Greenland isn’t melting as such, but it is pushing Giga tons of ice each years into the oceans with a significant portion from Rift Basalt heating, but more is being added.

    • I find it easy to believe that the minus 33°C temperature is real considering the Greenland Summit Station is situated at about 72° N and is ~10,530 feet above sea level – nothing odd about that at all. It is permanently cold and frozen.

      Alaska, Russia, Europe, Africa, North and South America and Asia all have permanent glaciers year round if the mountain chains are substantial and high enough and some of these are at locations close to the equator – e.g. the one you quote Kilimanjaro and the Himalayas lie just outside of the tropics!

      Surely any location where there is permanent ice is existing in an ice age ? Our present interglacial is not complete as evidence from the past suggests that at times there has been no ice on Earth at all – I would suggest open oceans at both poles with most land masses close to the equator would support a no ice on Earth scenario.

      Gore misrepresents why Kilimanjaro has lost most of its ice cover. Kilimanjaro is almost on the equator at 3° N and it is an isolated peak at 19308 feet above sea level.

      As the plains surrounding Kilimanjaro have been cleared of their tree cover by poor starving humans trying to eke out a living the amount of precipitation has decreased markedly – a continuous tropical tree canopy induces uplift of air masses and assist precipitation. Kilimanjaro has no surrounding land masses to induce the necessary uplift to cause the precipitation necessary to maintain its snow and ice cover.

      The temperature never approaches 0°C on Kilimanjaro but ice sublimes – i.e. ice simply evaporates when there is sufficient influx of energy such as powerful sunlight without melting – even at temperatures below minus 18°C which is why the ice cubes in your freezer disappear over time.

      The ice will always sublime but before the tree clearing the rate of precipitation easily kept pace – man made local climate change but nothing to do with CO2 !

      You should check out the Mendenhall Glacier in Alaska – http://juneauempire.com/outdoors/2013-09-13/ancient-trees-emerge-frozen-forest-tomb – where a forest existed more than 2000 years ago and the advancing glacier buried it. Now the glacier is retreating again and uncovering the stumps.

      Man wasn’t responsible for the lack of ice back then !

      Climate “scientists” are always “denying there was such a thing as a global Roman warm period yet Alaska – 7000 km from Europe shows warming at the same time !

  4. Maybe CO2 is causing the air to dry, so the ice is all sublimating! Yeah, that’s it. That’s the ticket.

  5. Even if world temperatures were to rise by a few degrees C it wouldn’t affect the massive areas of Antarctica or Greenland that are at altitude. It’s just too cold there.

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