Scientists say Sun’s heartbeat will bring on Ice Age

Scientists say Sun’s heartbeat will bring on Ice Age

A new model of the Sun’s 11-year heartbeat suggests that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s, dropping to conditions last seen during the Maunder minimum.

Beginning in about 1645, the Maunder minimum corresponded with the severest portion of the last “Little Ice Age.”

Results of the new study were to be presented yesterday by Prof Valentina Zharkova at the National Astronomy Meeting in Llandudno.

Many solar physicists think the solar cycle is driven by a dynamo caused by convecting fluid deep within the Sun. However, when Zharkova and her colleagues added a second dynamo close to the surface, they found that it completed the picture with unprecedented accuracy.

“Our predictions showed an accuracy of 97%,” said Zharkova.

The model predicts that the waves from the two dynamos will become increasingly offset during Cycle 25, which peaks in 2022. During Cycle 26, from about 2030 to 2040, the two waves will become exactly out of synch, leading to a significant reduction in solar activity.

“In cycle 26, the two waves exactly mirror each other – peaking at the same time but in opposite hemispheres of the Sun. Their interaction will be disruptive, or they will nearly cancel each other. We predict that this will lead to the properties of a ‘Maunder minimum’,” said Zharkova. “Effectively, when the waves are approximately in phase, they can show strong interaction, or resonance, and we have strong solar activity. When they are out of phase, we have solar minimums. When there is full phase separation, we have the conditions last seen during the Maunder minimum, 370 years ago.”

In other words, we should expect continued deterioration in global climatic conditions between now and  2022, at the peak of Cycle 25.

That’s only seven years away!

Then it will get worse.

We will be praying for global warming.

See entire article:
http://phys.org/news/2015-07-irregular-heartbeat-sun-driven-dynamo.html

Thanks to Bill Sellers for this link

The above montage shows images of solar activity between August 1991 and September 2001 taken by the Yohkoh Soft X-ray Telecope, showing variation in solar activity during a sunspot cycle. Credit: Yohkoh/ISAS/Lockheed-Martin/NAOJ/U. Tokyo/NASA


66 thoughts on “Scientists say Sun’s heartbeat will bring on Ice Age

  1. Just in case there might be some truth to the CO2 greenhouse effect, it would be wise to reopen the coal-burning power stations, start building more and get emitting fast! We’re going to need the energy to keep warm in any case.

    • THe cooling will be so severe that in my opinion the deepest reserves of oil and coal will not suffice.

    • The amount of CO2 we produce will be taken up by the re-greening of the arid zones between the 35 degree latitudes. It won’t make a blind bit of difference to the expected temperature drops.
      It will however, provide electricity to maintain our civilization, but it should also be used as a rehearsal for the Cold to come at the end of this interglacial.

  2. This prediction is practically already falsified. The solar minimum for SC24 isn’t expected by anyone until the end of 2019, and it’s usually at least three years from then before the start of the next cycle maximum, putting the earliest time of SC25 max at 2023, as late as 2025.

    There is no information available today wrt SC26 – that will have to wait until SC25 is between its max and the next following minimum. There is no solid information as to the timing and magnitude of SC25 as of today either – only educated guesses, one being at 66% of SC24 max.

    I do expect temps to start declining sometime between now and 2017 from the SC24 slowdown.

    • Did we read the same article ?

      I thought the article referred to:-

      “A NEW model of the Sun’s solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of IRREGULARITIES within the Sun’s 11-year heartbeat.”

      They used their “new model” to predict :-

      “Looking ahead to the next solar cycles, the model predicts that the pair of waves become increasingly offset during Cycle 25, which peaks in 2022. During Cycle 26, which covers the decade from 2030-2040, the two waves will become exactly out of synch and this will cause a significant reduction in solar activity.”

      I read the claim “which peaks in 2022” as THEIR prediction not the “normal” timing.

      You claim it is already falsified based on something no-one can possibly know until for at least another 7 years.

      I thought they were claiming that the sequence and timing of events of the “normal” solar cycle will be disrupted by their dual dynamo model and therefore nothing may be normal about the solar cycles following the current one – which is already one of the weakest in a very long time – nothing normal here either.

      I guess time will tell but there have been many other claims similar to this one including ones made by Russian solar scientists.

      Some claim Jupiter and Saturn influence the Sun’s orbit around the barycentre of the solar system producing these irregularities.

      It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

      Nothing should be ruled out until it is.

    • Temperatures will start to decline noticeably once the NAO kicks in during the NH winters, not once every 11 years but consistently year in year out until the large sun spot average recovers about to 35 per month, that should cover the very low solar max during SC25, lasting 4 years at the most, then its down hill again.

    • There is historical peer reviewed data regarding the sun’s output based on the C14/BE charts, which shows an abrupt end to a Solar Warm Period, directly into a Solar Minimum, then two cycles of low or very output, followed by a recovering reduced output cycle possibly similar to SC20 during Dalton, and then recovering into a series of cycles like the 1930s cycles. This modern minimum is following the same track.
      What’s falsified is the NOAA ground station data to force the US people to accept the wealth transfer to the UN and punish the West for their industrial success over the last 140 years.

    • I believe that temps are already declining now, due to the general solar slowdown, which has been occurring since the end of solar cycle 23. Yes 2017 is a year to watch in my opinion too.

      • It seems to me that temps may have already started to decline also. Anyone here want to bet that the US will return to milder winters this next season? Not me.

  3. Anyone want to volunteer to be the one to give Al Gore a blanket while he is freezing his a** off?

  4. The peak of this solar cycle seems quite late now. When they proclaimed the peak a few years ago, it was like blink and you missed it and said “what peak”? Perhaps it’s one of these double maximums. Anyway, if they are just starting to understand the sun, how can they predict 100 years out when two days is the limit of their confidence, and even with that I’ve seen a hurricane two days out go 90 degrees away from the forecast track because they aren’t as good at forecasting hurricanes in that area and the vagaries of almost stationary hurricanes.

  5. What a death knoll for Global (AGW) Warming nutcases…

    “Our children will not know what snow is…”

    Yeah, right. Complete and utter leftist idiots.

  6. None of this is surprising, as real scientists have been predicting this for some time now. What IS surprising, is the fact that nobody seems to be taking it seriously. The mainstream media continue to lie to people, and many academics are too cowardly to contradict anything that is said by the IPCC. If it wasn’t for this website and sites like WeatherAction, and the Space and Science Research Corporation, many folks would be left in the dark.

    • I just saw an article on UPI that says that the earth is heading for a mini-Ice Age by 2030. This is the first time I have seen something on this sort on feeds such as Yahoo (where I got the link to the article). Can the MSM *finally* starting to wake up?

  7. Seems that Landscheidt’s forecasts from the early 2000’s based on declining solar activity are garnering some support. He predicted a cold period beginning weakly around now and becoming pronounced in the 2030’s.

    Others have also forecast this including the Russians – if anyone knows cold its the Ruskies !

    http://bourabai.kz/landscheidt/new-e.htm

    An interesting read no matter what – I always like to see alternate points of view. He may be right.

  8. Unfortunately, this will give the Politicos a new disaster to glom onto with new predictions of doom and death.
    While we can then thumb our noses at the Followers of Gore (known as “Gorons”) and declare ourselves the intelligent thinkers who were Right…the Political Class will still transfer Trillions in wealth (with many of “us” now going along with this scheme since the Science is now on “our” side) while doing nothing to prepare for what will be a period of epic human strife.
    Warm or Cold; if your depending on the Government to be prepared for any disaster…

  9. But, But the Computer Models, the Al Gore Folks, the IPCC and Politicians say the Sun has very little effect on the Earth’s Temperature because the Energy variation is insignificant and CO2 is in control. I wonder if the two could be reversed like the “deniers” have been saying?

    Al Gore – Give us our Money Back and we will consider not taring and feathering you. Isn’t that what they did with the Rain Makers in the 1930’s.

    • Why consider not tarring and feathering:
      This is a criminal Fraud based on a group of radical terrorist greens conspiring to hood wink Governments into continuing to fund their Climate Ologists views, and succeeding beyond their wildest dreams for 40 years.
      What the paper doesn’t say is what causes the two dynamos’ to change sequencing either into a positive power wave which causes a Solar Warm period or a negative power wave in a Solar Minimum.
      And, that is the gravitational effects of the four Jovian Gas Giants causing the Sun to execute a disturbed trefoil orbit around the Solar System BarryCentre and slowing down the outer layers of the Sun atmosphere in the process causing the significant drop in the Suns output.
      The Jovian Gas Giants both enhance or moderate the Sun’s energy output dependent on their orbital parameters.

    • Or did Al Gore and his ilk know of this all along? As they force us to prepare for heat have they been setting us up to actually have to struggle with cold…many will have to re outfit homes while public utilities will scramble to supply enough energy to combat the icy conditions…solar panels may be rendered pointless. Solar influence of climate certainly seems more likely than cow gas. Once they get past “we got it it wrong before we got it right” (They wil get the genius Bill Nye to explain it all away – the folks just love him) or will be an easier sell.

      Remember, George Soros largest holding in his investment portfolio is PETROBRAS! (Petroleum Brazil). “Did someone say heating oil?”

      • Al Gore has been stating since 2000 that if we do not act now to curb CO2 emissions it will be to late. So maybe he has known the truth all along. If we have another Little Ice Age people will not be pushing to lower CO2.

        • The levels of CO2 in the atmosphere is an indicator of how saturated the Earth’s water column is with CO2, and how warm the upper surface layers are, and how much CO2 is being pumped into the cold base layers of the Oceans by rifting volcanoes and sea mounts. Al Gore is locked into his own hubris over the Emperors New Clothes.
          With the rate of new peer reviewed solar and planetary papers indentifying the key drivers of our climate, and beginning to be able to forecast solar cool periods as well as the Warm period possibly right up to the end of the Holocene. Much will happen between now and the US election in 2016, so much so the term of Democrat Gullible Warmist s may be the mill stone which sinks the left in the US for a generation.

  10. If they’re correct then between now and 2022 will be considered the good old days. I’m glad I’m old enough to not have to live with this ice age for very long. That said, the impact on food supply, energy, and global peace due to quarreling over resources will be significant.
    Mr Gore will be eating his words instead.

  11. In today’s world, the way you discredit a story is start out with “Scientists (say or discover or modelled etc..)”.

    We all have BS filters in our head. That is the biggest one for me. Thank the Globull Warming scientists and their “consensus” for discrediting the whole profession.

    I have watched the sun for 15 years now and know it is going into a slumber. Cold weather on Earth will certainly follow. No one knows the length of time. It could be 10 years or it could be 1000.

      • Warming deniers are EQUALLY as blind as Flat Earth deniers. Ouch! The ice age now folks have been willing to peek under the hood, examine facts, examine prior geological evidence and followed a path of scientific open enquiry and the result has been to discover that the official narrative is decidedly fraudulent. However the same approach to flat earth investigation is missing in action. Why? because the brainwashing has been very effective.

        The earth is flat. Please think for yourself and do your own research. The earth is a plane not a globe. A child sees this. A programmed individual remains psy-opped. If one believes NASA, then how is it that early photographs from outer space show earth as a globe? yet NASA later went on to say the earth’s shape is a bulging sphere? and lately the official dogma is that the earth is actually a pear shape! Huh?

        Do some independent thinking and wake up folks!!! it went from a perfect globe, to a bulging ball, and now it’s really a pear shaped sphere? and what does this say about NASA? Is ball-to bulge-to pear scientific? is it logical? Is it supported by science? is it an extension of common sense? isn’t this what iceagenowers profess? To ask questions and follow the answers wherever they may lead? I hope so.

        It would be a delight if participants here actually followed through with this challenge. Hopefully there will be few takers. Just like the warmers who are married to their carbon infused religion myopically producing the false ideology of man caused warming, flat earth deniers are in the same boat. (I sincerely hope this does not sound harsh).

        A good start would be to search for Eric Dubay on YouTube or for a Christian perspective Rob Skiba has done research on the flat earth in a biblical context.

        Flat earth is a fast growing movement on YouTube right now. It’s exploding. This is a thought provoking subject, and a logical extension of questioning the official doctrines emanating from the Pope, the politicians, the posers and the purveyors of perdition.

        Ice Age Now has been on the cutting edge and many thanks for opening my eyes. My original exposure came through YouTube interviews with Robert Felix. So I am thankful for that.

        Now it is time to continue asking more questions…

        • Are you kidding? There are so many real observations that invalidate a flat Earth theory. The simplest one being; How does the theory explain day/night, and the observed rotation of Earth in the apparent motion of the stars?
          There are also some who believe the Sun is a hollow plasma shell, and that sunspots are holes in this shell. The blackness of a sunspot is a view to the empty interior.
          Images of the Sun in other wavelengths totally smash this crackpot theory. Disinformation runs rampant on YouTube.

  12. Although the observations were not as extensive as in later years, the sun was in fact well observed during this time and this lack of sunspots is well documented. This period of solar inactivity also corresponds to a climatic period called the “Little Ice Age” when rivers that are normally ice-free froze and snow fields remained year-round at lower altitudes. Shindell here related this cooling to low solar UV radiation and less ozone destruction which he hypothesizes has an effect on the AO/NAO (negative modes). There is evidence that the Sun has had similar periods of inactivity in the more distant past.
    SOLAR CYCLE LENGTH AND TEMPERATURES
    Since the solar cycle length correlates inversely with the magnitude and the magnitude directly with temperatures, it is not surprising that solar cycle length has been shown to correlate very well with temperatures. In an important paper in 1991, Friis-Christensen et al., compared the average temperature in the northern hemisphere with the average solar activity defined through the interval between successive sunspot maxima.
    Just refreshing our memory of the facts which were known during Galileos time in zurich.All of this info is not msm priority..sometimes i think only iceagenow readers know of how important the suns internal activities really are.The sun has been viewed for hundreds of years and its rath will be felt soon….on terra firma.Lets stay tuned.

  13. About 20 years ago some one ask me about the future of the world and the US.
    I stated that I hope my parents live a long and happy life, but I don’t want them to have to live through what is going to have to happen due to the changes in the climate, and ultimately our society in general and I don’t mean global warming!
    I still stand by this today, and repeat it when the subject comes up.
    they are in their 80’s now…..
    tp

    • People I talk to are either in denial or they say they expect to be dead by the time there is problem. Self deception and willful ignorance seems to be easier on the mind than getting mentally and physically prepped for the inevitable.

  14. Looking ahead to the next solar cycles, the model predicts that the pair of waves become increasingly offset during Cycle 25, which peaks in 2022

    My reply is solar cycle 25 can not possibly peak in year 2022. If anything by year 2022 solar cycle 24 would have just ended and solar cycle 25 would have just started, which means the minimum between the two cycles would probably be going on.

    They are way off, because solar cycle 24 is not going to end until after year 2020 or even 2021.

    • Well,

      I propose that the volcanoes will ultimately give rise to global temperature declines(pun unintended). Furthermore would suggest they are currently driving the southern expansion of ice shelf.
      Here is a kicker,

      A fellow have known for a while completed a 2 week contract located at Chicago. Talked to him last wednesday and said 27 murders recorded last weekend. News reports the happening due to the recent heat wave. No smiles during the entire conversation. He looked me straight in the eye and said the temps were not out of the 70s the 2 weeks on site.
      Well, with the temps they have had this year upper 70s would feel like a heat wave eh. Nevertheless, found it amazing that the temps would be reported as a heat wave. Just the beginning of things to come perhaps……

    • Agreed, however if they re time line their paper correctly to the start of the solar cycle 24 we might get a better view point for the outputs for SC25 and SC26.

    • I believe you are correct, Salvatore, Solar cycle should end around 2020.

      It is interesting to note that the “Double Peaks” appear on the last three solar sunspot cycles and appears to be getting wider between the two peaks. Maybe their wave theory of surface and internal is correct, but the years of the cycles seem to be wrong.
      See picture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_maximum

      Here is a good question: If the sunspot number stays close to zero, then how will they show a peak in the cycle?

      • You have to remember that sunspots are actually a proxy indication on what is happening on the surface of the sun. The good Dr Svalgaard (solar expert) actually says that even though you can’t see them, sunspots may still be there.

        Also sunspots are only one of the indicators of solar cycle activity.

  15. The A train to JFK will be awfully crowded on Friday afternoons in the summer as the Wall Street crowd will have to head to the Caribbean rather than to the Hamptons,after selling their places there for pennies on the dollar.

  16. Low solar output combined with a strong El Nino should produce some major snows and rain this winter not that the USA is not soggy already. The west coast should get enough rain to avoid the drought if the they are correct in the following article.
    **
    California drought: El Niño weather event is biggest since 1997, may trigger soaking winter storms
    See: http://www.mercurynews.com/drought/ci_28458401/california-drought-el-nino-weather-event-is-biggest

    With California desperate for relief from its punishing four-year drought, the trend is significantly increasing the chances that storms will drench the state this winter, according to a new report released by federal scientists Thursday. And scientists say the conditions are lining up in ways not seen since the winter of 1997-98, when downpours filled reservoirs and sent rivers raging during the last major El Niño.
    The chances are now “greater than 90 percent” that El Niño conditions that began in March will remain through this winter, according to the monthly El Niño report from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
    **

    It is interesting to note the warm spots along the west coasts of Canadian and Northern USA, and even a line near Alaska. I wonder how much of the ocean warming is from the volcano off the US west coast. It is very possible that the circular line near Alaska could be from a volcano since it seems to start from the volcanic Aleutian island chain.
    Of course, they make claims of “could be one of the strongest on record”, but like always, the “Keyword” is “Could”.

  17. “We will be praying for global warming.”
    Sounds like some thing I might have said.

    People in general and farmers in particular better get ready for this otherwise we will be in big trouble especially when it comes to food production.

  18. Wow, this is all over the UK news now. I think we may finally be seeing a turn in the MSN coverage. Just google “mini-ice age” in the news and see the hits coming up. This is great! A little more of this and the warmist mafia will lose their stranglehold on climate news.

  19. Wow, this made the main news tonight in New Zealand. Perfect timing given the harsh winter we have so far in 2015.

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