Seriously, who believes this gibberish?

“So not only can they take the Earth’s temperature accurate to more than one hundredth of a °C they can now measure sea level rise to a one hundredth of a millimetre ????”
– Rosco Mac

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Seriously, who believes this gibberish?

Rosco Mac

I saw a story on Australia’s cheer leader on climate alarm the ABC the other day.

“Scientists using seismic testing at the largest glacier in east Antarctica find massive subglacial lakes beneath its surface — which they say radically alters estimates on predicted sea level rise.”

One guy said “While the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) estimates sea levels will rise by a metre by 2100, Dr Galton-Fenzi said those estimates did not factor in the increased discharge of Antarctic ice due to climate change.”

He stated that between 7 and 11 metres of sea level rise was possible by 2100.

Aren’t you simply amazed by the power of atmospheric CO2 ?

Somehow atmospheric CO2 traps radiation from the cold Antarctic surface at 5 kilometres high in the stratosphere and then somehow manages to sneak below a 2 kilometre (6561 feet )-thick glacier causing melting at the bottom whilst the surface of the glacier shows zero sign of melting !!

WOW !! Run and hide !

Of course underwater or under glacier volcanism couldn’t possibly have any impact on this could it ?

And, as usual, there was the obligatory finale invoking that IF ONLY we had MORE research money to investigate this (fanciful fraud – the CO2 is the cause fraud I mean) we could assist in our understanding of climate change.

Here’s the link

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-25/totten-glacier-antarctica-research-using-seismic-study/10936998

The written story is slightly different in that he doesn’t make the bald statement shown on TV – 7 – 11 metres of sea level rise by 2100.

Oh, by the way, Naomi Orsekes made a similar, albeit not as large, nonsensical claim in about 2011 and here is how Tony Heller graphed her claim – 10 feet sea level rise by 2100.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ea58u51hgoum3yc/10%20feet%20Seal%20Level%20rise%20in%202100.bmp?dl=0

As usual stupid alarmist claims produce absolutely nonsensical graphs when plotted.

10 feet is 3048 millimetres and over 89 years requires a rate of increase of 34.25 millimetres per year !!

The “measured” sea level rise is between 1.7 and 3.2 millimetres per year – 10 times LESS than Orsekes fanciful claim.

To meet her ridiculous claim we should have already seen almost 274 millimetres since she sprouted that BS – almost 11 inches !

Or will it simply wait for 50 + years and then all melt suddenly in a splash reminiscent of dropping several ice cubes into your glass of Scotch ?

Or how about this gibberish ??

“The study, by US scientists, has calculated the rate of global mean sea level rise is not just going up at a steady rate of 3mm a year, but has been increasing by an additional 0.08mm a year, every year since 1993.”

Still nothing like Orsekes 34.25 millimetres per year or the Antarctic circus’s claim of about 86 millimetres (3.4 inches) per year though !!

So not only can they take the Earth’s temperature accurate to more than one hundredth of a °C they can now measure sea level rise to a one hundredth of a millimetre ????

Seriously, who believes this gibberish ?


23 thoughts on “Seriously, who believes this gibberish?”

  1. Trouble is it ALL a scam! We know, THEY know, they keep regurgitating total science BALONEY to the gullible masses and people that just take the MSM at face value and NEVER check any facts.

  2. The climate alarmists have taken reality, flipped it on its head, then attempted to convince everyone that their upside-down reality was actually right-side-up. They tend to do that a lot, then when caught they double-down until cornered by facts and reality, whereupon they scurry back into the shadows, spitting venom and blaming everyone but themselves for their having been caught lying.

    Everything you’ve been taught about CO2 causing CAGW (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming) is diametrically opposed to scientific reality. Evidence (to include peer-reviewed studies, and empirical measurements of atmospheric temperature by literally millions of weather balloons and by satellites) is below.

    The below is why Will Happer (a particle physicist) is now leading the committee to review climate science… because the atmosphere (consisting of atoms and molecules) must obey particle physics, and Happer is the preeminent particle physicist. Particle physics is a branch of physics that studies the elementary constituents of matter and radiation.

    So let’s briefly discuss the particle physics of CO2…

    The CO2 molecule has four vibrational modes at 3 radiation wavelengths:

    – 2.70270 micron (3700 cm–1 wavenumber; symmetric stretch mode; this mode is IR-silent, it cannot absorb radiation since the molecule has no change in net magnetic dipole moment)

    – 4.25713 micron (2349 cm–1 wavenumber; asymmetric stretch mode, this mode is very IR-active, but very narrow-band and the radiance at this narrow frequency band is minimal)

    – 14.99250 micron (667 cm–1 wavenumber; 2 degenerate bending modes)

    …the only one of those which has any appreciable radiance and is IR-active is 14.9925 micron, and hence is the largest contributor to CO2 quantum energy states.

    CO2 (in its 2 degenerate bending modes) is one of very few molecules (nitric oxide being another) which can emit infrared radiation, and therefore one of the few molecules which can *cool* the atmosphere by radiative transfer of energy out to space.

    The *only* way the planet can shed heat is via radiative transfer to space. Without CO2, the planet would *heat* *up*.

    O2 (oxygen) and N2 (nitrogen), the two molecules comprising the largest percentage constituents of the atmosphere, can’t shed heat to space via radiative transfer of energy… they’re homonuclear diatomic molecules, thus they have no net magnetic dipole, and thus they cannot emit radiation.

    As altitude increases, the mean free path length for 14.9925 micron photons increases because the atmosphere becomes less dense, and thus the absorption and scattering probability for that radiation decreases with increasing altitude.

    Conversely, the mean free path length for 14.9925 micron photons decreases with decreasing altitude because the atmosphere becomes more dense, and thus the absorption and scattering probability for that radiation increases with decreasing altitude.

    This gives a”two steps up, one step down, two steps up, one step down” effect for 14.9925 micron radiation. The atmosphere effectively “pumps” that radiation out to space (for those who are logic-deficient, that’s an analogy). Without CO2, the atmosphere would heat up due to a hampered ability to radiate energy to space.

    This is why CO2 cools off the upper atmosphere. But what very few people know is that CO2 also cools the troposphere (graphic below), except it’s difficult to measure because water vapor (which condenses out of the atmosphere above the tropopause) swamps CO2’s effects.

    Here’s the long-term stratospheric cooling caused by increasing CO2 content:
    https://i.imgur.com/6On8cBR.png

    NASA has stated that space junk may stay in orbit for as much as 50% longer than anticipated… the atmosphere has cooled and contracted, reducing atmospheric drag on space junk. This is contraindicative of the CAGW hypothesis (and CAGW is an hypothesis, not a theory… a theory is backed by corroborative evidence which has withstood experimentation and aligns with physical laws, whereas an hypothesis is little more than an educated guess. CAGW not only is not backed by such evidence, it is contradicted by the scientific evidence and it violates physical laws. So I’m being generous in calling it an hypothesis. The more accurate term would be “scientific fraud”.).

    https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/03/05/dr-fred-singer-co2-no-longer-affects-the-climate-all-co2-effects-are-overshadowed-by-climate-oscillations-and-changes-in-solar-activity/
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    The non-warming of the climate has become a topic much discussed since about 2005. John Christy has testified to Congress about the “gap” between IPCC climate models, which are based on steadily increasing levels of atmospheric CO2 and observations of atmospheric temperatures, measured by both satellites and radiosondes, 1978-2015 (see Christy fig. below).

    There have been many attempts to explain this discrepancy, ranging from a flat denial that such a gap exists (Tom Karl, Science, 2015, pp. 1,469-1,472, doi: 10.1126/science.aaa5632) to attempts to account for the “missing incoming energy.” For example, Kevin Trenberth has proposed that the missing energy, instead of warming the atmosphere, “hides” in the deep ocean, to be released later.

    Based on all the foregoing discussion, of the log-dependence of CO2 forcing (Myhre et al., GRL, 1998, vol. 25, doi: org/10.1029/98GLO1908) and its possible climate-cooling effect, I have a simpler hypothesis on the ineffectiveness of CO2 in warming the climate. I realize that this explanation is unacceptable to the IPCC and to many climate-warming advocates. I believe that the “gap,” now 40 years long, according to Christy, has existed throughout the Industrial Revolution — and probably during the whole of the Holocene. In other words, I consider that the “pause” may be permanent.

    I also believe that the gap will continue to grow in the future and demonstrate a convincing empirical argument supporting my explanation — namely, that CO2 no longer affects the climate, except perhaps at the slow level of its log-dependence.

    This log-dependence has to be modified (1) by CO2 cooling of the climate and (2) by possible positive feedback from water vapor, as assumed by the IPCC.
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    Cooling of Atmosphere Due to CO2 Emission
    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.306.3621&rep=rep1&type=pdf
    “Abstract: The writers investigated the effect of CO2 emission on the temperature of atmosphere. Computations based on the adiabatic theory of greenhouse effect show that increasing CO2 concentration in the atmosphere results in cooling rather than warming of the Earth’s atmosphere.”

    How increasing CO2 leads to an increased negative greenhouse effect in Antarctica
    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2015GL066749

    Why CO2 cools the middle atmosphere – a consolidating model perspective
    https://www.earth-syst-dynam.net/7/697/2016/esd-7-697-2016.pdf

    Observations of infrared radiative cooling in the thermosphere on 2 daily to multiyear timescales from the TIMED/SABER instrument
    https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20100011897.pdf
    “Abstract:. We present observations of the infrared radiative cooling by carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO) in Earth’s thermosphere.”

    A Guide to CO2 and Stratospheric Cooling
    https://climatephys.wordpress.com/2015/05/22/a-guide-to-co2-and-stratospheric-cooling/

    Climate “Science” on Trial; Evidence Shows CO2 COOLS the Atmosphere
    https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2017/01/29/climate-science-on-trial-evidence-shows-co2-cools-the-atmosphere/

    A graphic of spectral cooling rates:
    https://i.imgur.com/9BvEQTX.png

    Note the CO2-induced spectral cooling rate (positive numbers in the scale at right) extend right down to the surface of the planet, whereas CO2 shows just a slight bit of warming (negative numbers in the scale at right) only at the tropopause (ie: just above the clouds, where it absorbs a greater percentage of reflected solar insolation).
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  3. you could be surprised to find millions of smart people believing in big lies just because they are not interested, but still consider mainstream media a better truth guarantee than a friend or a relative…

  4. The average person does not have the ability to judge nor will devote the time to study the evidence or the logic. Moreover, when they are scared, the blood leaves the thinking part of their brains and goes to the fight, flight, and follow the leader part of the brain. They judge the source or person saying whatever and then infer, incorrectly, that the superficial credibility of the person or source determines what is “true”. I have had an ex-girlfriend continually send me videos from people like “Bill Nye – the fake science guy” who look great, make catastrophic predictions and present almost no facts at all.

    The present actions of the alarmists show they are scared and cornered. So they are pumping up the fear factor to try and overrun their opposition, to stop people from questioning. They send out the cute children who know nothing about climate change as their front man so people who put the children down look cruel and uncaring.

    The important, scary part is that they are making a stand that cannot stand the test of time – so they must do something desperate soon.

  5. no one with a brain believes it…but then we seem to have a lot of vacant tween the ears populace who DO hear and take it as gospel proof without ever querying it in any way
    theyre the sheeple that are the largest problem we have apart from the self interested (outright lying/implications and models are NOT FACT!) so called climate scientists (CONMEN)

  6. Half a century from chiliast Paul Ehrlich’s stupefyingly inane “Population Bomb” in 1968, going on ten years from the anonymous “Climategate” publication of alarmist deviants’ back-story propaganda in November 2009, our 4.5 billion-year old Earth is (once again) due to deliquesce by AD 2030. Indeed, since late Pliocene times about 3.5 million YBP cyclical plate tectonic-driven Ice Ages lasting an average 102 kiloyears have regularly interspersed with median 12,250-year Interglacial Epochs such as the recent Holocene (which ended in AD 1350 with a 500-year Little Ice Age now rebounding over 140 years to c. 2030).

    Now as total solar irradiance (TSI) radically diminishes on the threshold of a 70+ year “dead sun” Grand Solar Minimum similar to that of 1645 – 1715, Luddite sociopaths’ knowing, willful sabotage of global coal, oil, nuclear energy economies in favor of Green Gang grifters’ democidal solar-windfarm junkyards, mega-deaths accompanying Earth’s new Pleistocene Ice Time are all but guaranteed.

    For the record, Australian researcher Robert Holmes’ peer reviewed Molar Mass Version of the Ideal Gas Law (pub. December 2017) definitively refutes any possible CO2 connection to climate variations: Where Temperature T = PM/Rp, any planet’s near-surface global Temperature T equates to its Atmospheric Pressure P times Mean Molar Mass M over its Gas Constant R times Atmospheric Density p.
    Applying Holmes’ relation to all planets in Earth’s solar system, zero error-margins attest that there is no empirical or mathematical basis for any “forced” carbon-accumulation factor (CO2) affecting Planet Earth. When facts don’t matter, myths sow Cadmus’ dragons-teeth that spring up as armed men. Knowing where climate deviants’ antinomian crusade must lead, best arm yourselves with blades that cut through more than words.

  7. They seem to be getting more and more desperate. Over the past few months, the narrative has shifted into full panic, hair-on-fire mode.

    Here in Canada, our federal government will start collecting “carbon tax” next Monday. Instead of constantly dipping into the pockets of middle class and working people, couldn’t they start taxing the trades of the financial buccaneers? Whoops! I guess that would be biting the hand that feeds the politicians and bureaucrats.

  8. Where I live, Belfast, Maine, we get between 9 to 12 feet of sea level rise twice a day, depending on weather and time of month. How am I to notice or measure a fraction of a millimeter (which is itself 1/25 of an inch)?

    • funny… I lived in Belfast, Maine myself for a time (over 40 years ago), right on the water. We got tides then too! But didn’t ever see the water come into the house then either!

  9. The alarmist complains that the IPCC (global warming scientists)only predict a one meter rise by 2100. WHY IS THAT A PROBLEM?

    Because, the oceans rose approximately 1 meter between 1800 and 1900 and another meter between 1900 and 2000.

    So there is basically no change despite all the CO2.

    • Your claims suggest a 10 millimetre per annum seal level rise for 2 centuries but at most the alarmists currently claim a mere 3 millimetres per annum.

      3 millimetres per annum gives a total of 600 millimetres over 2 centuries – about 2 feet not 6+ and certainly nothing like the claim of 10 feet in 89 years by Orsekes or the really insane claim of 21 – 33 feet in ~80 years.

      Equally insane was Gore’s claim of 20 feet by 2100.

      I’ll say it again – Seriously, who believes this gibberish ?

      • oreskes..such a pity our mines in aus are so well maintained..a rockfall mighta smartened her up a bit

      • It shows the warmists are scientifically and mathematically illiterate. Earth hour (hour of darkness) to start in less than an hour. In defiance to the watermelons my lights will stay on, unless there is a power outage then.

    • It (sea level) also dropped 1.5M during the the Dalton GSM 1790 to 1820 with Your rise started around 1835 after the SC7 recovery cycle.
      It dropped again during cycles 11 to 14, and then recomenced the rise from 1935 to 2008.
      With this GSm it has commenced falling again.
      We should remember seas level was 2M higher than now during the Roman Warm Period, with the drop to current levels due to the 700 yr LIA.

  10. Many people believe it. I studied statistics at UCB. I was talking to some very smart people- engineers, scientists and pointing out the idea we know the average temperature on earth to .01 is silly.
    They showed me the papers about how the stuff is calculated–
    the papers themselves tell you there is more error in what they are doing than that.
    When I pointed that out– a strange phenomena– it was as if I was being attacked by a religious cult– an experience I have had…

    I don’t know much about climate change and all that, but I do know some people BELIEVE…

    • excatly
      suspend your BRAIN and Believe!
      the church of the goracle has many converts
      HE has many houses but he doesent share;-)

  11. Unfortunately AOC and most of the other Millenial Minions in the US do believe the nonsense… and more.

  12. Excellent comments!

    The earth and it’s atmosphere is a closed system. Correct?
    If so, then the total amount of water content in all it’s forms remains constant. During Ice- Age- ripe conditions, more water will accumulate on and under the land masses, and certainly curtail any unusual rise in ocean levels. As an example, this is what we are seeing with Greenland’s increasing ice mass and the significant northern hemisphere snow pack right now.
    During warming climate cycles, more snow and ice will melt as ocean-bound or aquifer replenishing water. But then, more water can be absorbed by the atmosphere through evaporation from oceans, transpiration from plants, and so forth.
    A perfectly self-balancing system, overall.

    Seems to me pretty basic stuff.
    I say hogwash to all this ocean rise alarmism.

    • It isn’t a closed system, material come in @ 11,000+ tons per year. Both Hydrogen and Oxygen are bleeding off via the Solar Wind.

  13. Except that the sea level is now falling, not rising. The Antarctic and Greenland ice caps are thickening due to increased snowfall. Some of that ice is returned to the sea by calving icebergs, but obviously some is retained by the thicker icecaps.

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